1. Introduction to the Conversation
- Jeremi Suri appreciates nuanced conversations on new media.
- Dan Riley acknowledges differences and common ground with Suri.
2. The State of Division and Distrust
- Examination of divisiveness and distrust in modern US compared to history.
- Impact of propaganda and echo chambers preventing collaboration.
- Issues with communication technology leading to sorted interactions.
3. Overcoming Tribalism and Echo Chambers
- The necessity of unsorting society for better interaction.
- Historical precedents for breaking tribalism.
- Personal anecdote about cultural divides in America.
- The significance of historical solutions to current societal issues.
4. Personal Experiences with Research and Ideologies
- Dan Riley's research in Russia post-Soviet Union.
- Observations of wealth disparity and ideological belief in Russia.
- Insights into the belief systems of communist leaders.
- Riley's research into protest movements, foreign policy, and generational change in the US.
5. Guest Background and Proposals
- Jeremi Suri's family history and immigration to the US.
- Advocacy for civilian conservation corps and mandatory public service.
- The importance of desegregating schools and creating educational access.
- The need for public spaces to foster diverse interactions.
6. The Role of Empathy and Understanding
- The benefits of interaction in reducing prejudice and fostering empathy.
- The dangers of certainty and the value of curiosity in leadership.
- Recognizing systemic influences rather than blaming individuals.
7. Combating American Tribalism
- Necessity of investing in institutions that promote unity.
- The role of schools, summer camps, and community activities in bridging gaps.
- Speaking out against divisive rhetoric.
- Supporting media that encourages constructive conversations.
8. Academic Interests and the Power of History
- Jeremi Suri's background fostering an interest in history.
- Initial focus as a Cold War historian and the power of individual agency.
- Analysis of the Soviet Union's collapse and the failed communist system.
- Suri's academic trajectory beyond studying the Cold War.